See the eclipsed setting moon and rising sun simultaneously during a rare 'selenelion' on Nov. 8

Blood red colored moon
The Total Lunar Eclipse of the Moon as seen on May 26, 2021 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Image credit: Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Observers across the central and eastern United States and Canada should pay particular attention to the setting full moon on the morning of Nov. 8, for that morning's lunar eclipse will still be in progress.

An interesting observation to attempt that morning would be to view the eclipsed setting moon and the rising sun simultaneously. The little-used name for this effect is called a "selenelion," a phenomenon that celestial geometry says cannot happen.

And indeed, during a lunar eclipse, the sun and moon are exactly 180-degrees apart in the sky; so, in a perfect alignment like this (called a "syzygy") such an observation would seem impossible. But remember that thanks to our atmosphere, the images of both the sun and moon are apparently "lifted" above the horizon by atmospheric refraction. This allows us to see the sun for several extra minutes before it actually has risen and the moon for several extra minutes after it has actually set.

You can watch the total lunar eclipse on for free, courtesy of several webcasts from observatories across the United States beginning at about 3 a.m. EST (0800 GMT).

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Joe Rao is a veteran meteorologist and eclipse chaser who also serves as an instructor and guest lecturer at New York's Hayden Planetarium. 

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As a consequence of this atmospheric trick, for many localities east of the Mississippi, there will be a chance to observe this unusual sight firsthand with November's shadowy event; a short window of roughly 4 to 9 minutes (depending on your location) where there will be the possibility of simultaneously seeing the sun, rising in the east, while the eclipsed full Moon is setting in the west.

Regions of visibility 

The times at various stages of the eclipse in EST for the total lunar eclipse on November 8, 2022 (Image credit: NASA's Scientific Visualization Studio)

From Newfoundland, the start of the partial stages begins about 80 minutes before moonset; a growing scallop of darkness will appear on the upper left part of the moon as the dawn sky brightens with the moon slipping into total eclipse less than a quarter of an hour before it sets. Similarly, farther to the west and south over Nova Scotia and along the immediate Atlantic Seaboard, the moon will set completely immersed in the Earth's shadow. See the table (below) on specific details for twenty selected U.S. and Canadian locations. 

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Local circumstances for the closing stages of the lunar eclipse of November 8, 2022.
LocationTime zone SunriseMoonsetMoonset Mag*
St. John's, NFNST6:55 a.m.6:59 a.m.Total
Halifax, NSAST7:027:06Total
Boston, MAEST6:266:32Total
Montreal, QCEST6:446:510.85
New York, NYEST6:356:41Total
Washington, DCEST6:436:490.88
Miami, FLEST6:346:38Total
Raleigh NCEST6:446:490.88
Charlotte, NCEST6:516:580.75
Pittsburgh, PAEST6:587:050.65
Toronto, ONEST7:037:100.57
Tampa, FLEST6:466:510.85
Atlanta, GAEST7:037:090.59
Detroit, MIEST7:147:220.40
Louisville, KYEST7:177:240.37
Chicago, ILCST6:326:400.13
New Orleans, LACST6:206:260.34
Memphis, TNCST6:286:360.19
St. Louis, MOCST6:356:440.07
Houston, TXCST6:416:480.01

*Moonset Mag: The fraction of the moon's diameter within Earth's umbral shadow at moonset rounded off to the nearest percent. 

Now you see it . . . now you don't? 

Then again, sighting a selenelion might be a problematic feat. Thirty-three years ago, in the August 1989 issue of Sky & Telescope magazine, Bradley Schaefer, an astronomer who extensively studied the visibility of the moon when low in the sky, noted that the full moon only becomes visible when it is about 2-degrees up and the sun is about 2-degrees below the horizon.

So, depending on the clarity of your sky, you might have up to roughly 10 to 15 minutes before sunrise for the sky to still be dark enough, and the moon to be high enough above any horizon haze for it to be clearly visible. And keep in mind that this holds only for the uneclipsed portion of the moon. You might, however, be able to mitigate the effects of a brightening sky somewhat by using binoculars or a telescope.

If the moon is totally eclipsed prior to sunrise, you probably are going to have to scan the western horizon with binoculars as the twilight brightens in order to still detect some semblance of the moon, somewhat resembling a very dim and eerily illuminated mottled softball.

A peculiar moonset 

For those portions of the United States and Canada a few hundred miles or so inland from the Eastern Seaboard, the moon's emergence from the umbra somewhat later should be well seen. The low partially eclipsed Moon in deep blue twilight should offer a wide variety of interesting scenic possibilities for both artists and astrophotographers. From Buffalo and Pittsburgh and points south through the eastern Ohio Valley and into the Piedmont to the Florida Panhandle a peculiar-looking waxing crescent moon with its cusps pointing downward will appear to set beyond the western horizon.

Farther west, across the central Great Lakes down through the Deep South to the Gulf of Mexico, the moon will appear to be notched on its lower right side by the shadow.

Going still farther west, the moon will go down "full" but assiduous observers from much of Wisconsin, Iowa, the western portion of Missouri, eastern Oklahoma into central Texas might still be able to detect a faint penumbral stain on the moon's lower right limb if the western horizon is haze-free.

Joe Rao serves as an instructor and guest lecturer at New York's Hayden Planetarium. He writes about astronomy for Natural History magazine, the Farmers' Almanac and other publications. Follow us on Twitter @Spacedotcom and on Facebook

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