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What's New in Black Holes? 'Interstellar' Physicist Kip Thorne Tells All

Supermassive black hole conception, Interstellar
This artist’s concept shows a supermassive black hole with millions to billions times the mass of our sun, like the one in the film Interstellar. (Image credit: Image courtesy NASA/JPL-Caltech)

Kip Thorne has recently been in the public eye as the physicist who brought real-world physics to the science fiction epic "Interstellar." But this isn't Thorne's first foray into discussing this kind of mind-bending science with the public: 20 years ago, Thorne wrote a best-selling book about black holes and other awesome astrophysical phenomena for a general audience.

Thorne's book, "Black Holes and Time Warps: Einstein's Outrageous Legacy" (W. W. Norton & Company, 1994), touches on many of the same subjects discussed in his more recent book, "The Science of Interstellar" (W.W. Norton & Company, 2014), including the possibility of interstellar travel through wormholes and the potential for time dilation around black holes. Two decades later, Thorne's first book remains a premier resource on the subject.

Kip Thorne's popular science book on the history and science of black holes and twisted space-time is still relevant 20 years after its publication. (Image credit: W.W. Norton & Company)

"I actually hadn't realized it was the anniversary, because I've been so swallowed up with 'Interstellar,'" Thorne told (Thorne is also a theoretical physicist at the California Institute of Technology.) "I do wish that I had time to update the book. I hope to do so in the next few years."

So what new physics would Thorne add to an updated version?

First: new ideas about how exactly a black hole would kill you.

When Thorne wrote "Black Holes and Time Warps" in the early '90s, he and other theorists believed that falling into a black hole resulted in death by a process called "spaghettification" or "the noodle effect," in which a person would be stretched and squeezed until his or her body resembled a very long string of pasta. [Time Travel and Wormholes: Kip Thorne's Wildest Theories ]

But newer theories suggest that black holes might kill you by crushing rather than stretching.

"When you fall into a black hole, everything that falls in after you over millions of years, as seen by you inside the black hole, comes pounding down on you in a fraction of a second, because of the enormous differences of time flow," Thorne explained. This would create a singularity: a location where the laws of physics break down and measurements of gravity go to infinity. "That produces sort of a 'sheet singularity' descending on you at the speed of light."

This idea, called a mass inflation singularity, was proposed in the 1990s. More recently, theorists showed that the crushing death would also come from below.

"Stuff that fell into the black hole before you, some of it will backscatter back up toward you," said Thorne. This could happen with any and all of the material that had ever fallen into the black hole during its lifetime. The material would create a shockwave singularity coming  straight up at you.

This all remains theoretical, of course, as no one has ever actually fallen into a black hole.

The space-time storm

: Theoretical physicist Kip Thorne, who helped bring real science to the movie "Interstellar." Some of Thorne's scientific theories seem to border on science fiction. (Image credit: Caltech)

Thorne and other researchers studying black holes have had heyday over the last 20 years as supercomputing power has steadily increased. Now researchers can create simulations of the incredibly complex circumstances surrounding black holes and watch the simulations play out. This includes the twisting and warping of space-time itself, distortions that could travel through the Earth and (to a very small degree) change how quickly time passes at one point compared to another. "Until [recently], our understanding of space-time was sort of as though we had seen the surface of the ocean on a very, very calm day," Thorne said. "We'd never seen it in a storm. We'd never seen breaking waves. We'd never seen waterspouts — tornadoes over water.

"In a similar way, in both theoretical and observational studies, we had only seen black holes when they're more or less quiescent," he said. "We'd not seen or learned much about how they behave when they collide. And their collisions create wild oscillations in the rate of flow of time and in the whirling motions of space, in complicated vortex-like or whirlpool-like behaviors. And in the last decade, particularly the last five years, thanks to supercomputer calculations, we've begun to learn about space-time when it is behaving like it's in a storm."

The Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory, or LIGO, in Louisiana is currently undergoing upgrades to become Advanced LIGO, and Thorne says he's highly optimistic that the upgraded observatory will finally detect evidence of gravitational waves. That data, combined with theory, will further scientists' understanding of the warping of space-time.

Higher dimensions

Another subject high on Thorne's list of topics he'd like to discuss in an update of his book is an idea used in the movie "Interstellar": that the universe human beings see is embedded in a larger universe of a higher dimension. The visible universe (called the "brane," short for membrane) has three spatial dimensions and one time dimension; a fourth spatial dimension called the "bulk" may be all around people, but they can't perceive it. In the movie "Interstellar," the "bulk" is called "the fifth dimension."

"The presence of that higher dimension could have deep impact on the laws of physics in our universe," Thorne said.

Thorne mentioned specifically the work of physicists Lisa Randall at Harvard and Raman Sundrum at the University of Maryland, who have proposed that the bulk might be something scientists can detect through experiments. Randall discussed the details of this theory in the book "Warped Passages" (Harper Perennial, 2006).

"The prediction is that if this is right, you would see certain things occur at the Large Hadron Collider … when it has been pushed up to especially high energies," Thorne said, referring to the particle collider in Geneva, Switzerland, used to discover the Higgs boson. [Photos: The World's Largest Atom Smasher (LHC)]

Other experiments that don't involve a multi-billion-dollar machine have also searched for the "bulk," but so far those have turned up nothing. The theories currently don't give any specific indication of where a solution might be found.

"So it's a bit of an open-ended search," Thorne said.

"Black Holes and Time Warps" also touches on the history of black holes (they were first theorized in the 1930s, but astronomical searches didn't begin until the 1960s) and the politics surrounding the field. (Thorne was one of a group of physicists who fought hard to keep Russian and American scientists in contact during the Cold War.)

Thorne's book is not exactly light reading (the paperback is a hefty 527 pages), but that doesn't stop it from being a page-turner. It offers accessible explanations of the science responsible for black holes and other mind-boggling physical phenomena in the universe. Readers will find the occasional equation and lots of helpful images and diagrams. Anyone interested in learning more about the history and science of black holes should consider giving it a read. 

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Calla Cofield
Calla Cofield

Calla Cofield joined's crew in October 2014. She enjoys writing about black holes, exploding stars, ripples in space-time, science in comic books, and all the mysteries of the cosmos. Prior to joining Calla worked as a freelance writer, with her work appearing in APS News, Symmetry magazine, Scientific American, Nature News, Physics World, and others. From 2010 to 2014 she was a producer for The Physics Central Podcast. Previously, Calla worked at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City (hands down the best office building ever) and SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory in California. Calla studied physics at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst and is originally from Sandy, Utah. In 2018, Calla left to join NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory media team where she oversees astronomy, physics, exoplanets and the Cold Atom Lab mission. She has been underground at three of the largest particle accelerators in the world and would really like to know what the heck dark matter is. Contact Calla via: E-Mail – Twitter