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Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby Smersh » Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:42 am

This is to remember and be thankful to all those who sacrificed their lives for us in two world wars and other conflicts around the world since, continuing to the present day in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere.

Here's a poem by the famous WW1 war hero and poet, Wilfred Owen:

Dulce Et Decorum Est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.


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Wilfred Owen (1893 -1918)

There is a very good website here that tells of Owen's life and friendship with Siegried Sassoon, another famous war poet, who also assisted Owen with many of his works.

Owen suffered from shell-shock, a common disorder for troops in the trenches, and was lucky enough to be sent to Craiglockhart War Hospital, near Edinburgh, which was where he first met Sassoon. I said "lucky enough," because many shell-shocked soldiers were given horrendous electric shock treatment, before being quickly returned to the front line.

He wasn't so lucky though, just before the war ended:

The period in Craiglockhart, and the early part of 1918, was in many ways his most creative, and he wrote many of the poems for which he is remembered today. In June 1918 he rejoined his regiment at Scarborough and then in August he returned to France. He was awarded the Military Cross for bravery at Amiens, but was killed on the 4th November whilst attempting to lead his men across the Sambre canal at Ors. The news of his death reached his parents on November 11th 1918, the day of the armistice.


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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby jim48 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:25 am

Thank you, Smersh. For once I have few words. I did not know that Armistice Day/Veteran's Day was celebrated overseas as well. Here is a link I would like to share from our side of the pond, re-World War II.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby yevaud » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:23 am

jim48 wrote:I did not know that Armistice Day/Veteran's Day was celebrated overseas as well.


Why wouldn't it?
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby starsinmyeyes44 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:48 pm

"The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori."



I looked it up so I would know what he meant...

"It is sweet and right to die for your country."



He paints such a powerful image with his words. Only someone who had been there and seen the horror could write those words in that way.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby cosmictraveler » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:11 am

I remember Veterns day on November 11 , the original day to observe it.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby PiotrSatan » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:14 am

Well what to say here? I really believe that all soldiers are brave and should be treated with respect. I really hope that all of them make it to home without any casualties. I don't really present any hatred towards other nations, but I want to say that we should remember that Soviet soldiers saved the world from spreading fascism, and germans bravely defended themselves. I feel like this song fits in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUwQRc2mfE

lyrics:
Wo die Weser einen großen Bogen macht,
Wo der Kaiser Wilhelm hält die treue Wacht,
Wo man trinkt die Halben in zwei Zügen aus,
|: Da ist meine Heimat, da bin ich zu Haus. : |

Refrain:
Wir zieh'n ins Weserland,
Ins schöne Heimatland,
Dich will ich lieben
Bis in den Tod.

Wo die krumme Diemel in die Weser fließt,
Wo der Jordan sprudelnd in die Höhe schießt,
Wo man treibt den Kranken Gicht und Rheuma aus,
|: Da ist meine Heimat, da bin ich zu Haus. : |
Refrain:

Wo die kleine Bastau in die Weser fließt,
Wo der Kaiser Wilhelm noch von ferne grüßt,
Wo man hört des Domes Glocken nah und fern,
|:Da ist meine Heimat, ja da leb ich gern.
:Refrain:

Wenn ich einmal tot bin, schaufelt mir ein Grab,
In die Erde, die ich so geliebet hab.
Schreibt auf meinem Grabstein diese Worte auf:
|: Hier ward meine Heimat, hier ward ich zu Haus. : |
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby Smersh » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:44 am

Today is Armistice Day and Veterans' Day.

On the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, the guns fell silent on the Western Front in 1918.

The Unknown Soldier
by Angela Morgan

He is known to the sun-white Majesties
Who stand at the gates of dawn.
He is known to the cloud-borne company
Whose souls but late have gone.
Like wind-flung stars through lattice bars
They throng to greet their own,
With voice of flame they sound his name
Who died to us unknown.

He is hailed by the time-crowned brotherhood,
By the Dauntless of Marathon,
By Raymond, Godfrey and Lion Heart
Whose dreams he carried on.
His name they call through the heavenly hall
Unheard by earthly ear,
He is claimed by the famed in Arcady
Who knew no title here.

Oh faint was the lamp of Sirius
And dim was the Milky Way.
Oh far was the floor of Paradise
From the soil where the soldier lay.
Oh chill and stark was the crimson dark
Where huddled men lay deep;
His comrades all denied his call
Long had they lain in sleep.

Oh strange how the lamp of Sirius
Drops low to the dazzled eyes,
Oh strange how the steel-red battlefields
Are floors of Paradise.
Oh strange how the ground with never a sound
Swings open, tier on tier,
And standing there in the shining air
Are the friends he cherished here.

They are known to the sun-shod sentinels
Who circle the morning's door,
They are led by a cloud-bright company
Through paths unseen before.
Like blossoms blown, their souls have flown
Past war and reeking sod,
In the book unbound their names are found
They are known in the courts of God!


Please be thankful to all our brave boys and girls fighting in Afghanistan.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby yevaud » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:17 am

Army RA
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CONUS, FRG, Grenada

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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby yevaud » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:23 am

In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields.


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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby cosmictraveler » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:41 am

Just returned from a remembrance ceremony...they had a 106 year old WW1 vet there. Very humbling ceremony to be part of.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby yevaud » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:59 am

You should let the VA know (or the MoD, if you're in the UK). According to both governments, there are no further living WWI veterans remaining.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby starsinmyeyes44 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:12 pm

Just got back from watching my son march in a Veteran's Day "pass in review." He is in high school Air Force JROTC. So very proud of him.

Saw many, many veterans there. One very elderly man in full dress Navy uniform stood out. Went over to shake his hand. Talked to one young Marine....when I asked how long he had been a Marine, he said, very proudly, "4 months, maam!" The young and the old.

The keynote speaker said in the first sentence that he was NOT going to be politically correct (to much cheering) and then went on to talk about "God, Duty, Honor, and Country." He was interrupted many times during his wonderful speech by cheers and applause. Our Representative, Sheila Jackson Lee, was there for the photo op at the beginning, but left before any of the actual ceremony.....really wish she had heard the speech.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby Smersh » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:25 pm

yevaud wrote:You should let the VA know (or the MoD, if you're in the UK). According to both governments, there are no further living WWI veterans remaining.


The three surviving British WW1 vets, Henry Allingham, Harry Patch and Bill Stone all passed away earlier this year Yev. There was still a survivor in Australia though last I heard and there may still be survivors from other countries, I'm not sure.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby jim48 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:53 pm

I watched some of the New York City Veteran's Day parade, some of the ceremonies at the National World War II Memorial in Washington D.C. and then I caught the last half hour of Patton on AMC. Damn what a great movie! Not much left of Brokaw's "Greatest Generation". My dad served in the Navy in World War II. So did my granddad. He was 42 years old and Grandma was getting on his nerves so he enlisted in the Navy just to get away from her! :lol: That actually saved their marriage. He was stationed at Norfolk, Virginia. My dad never went overseas. He spent the war in Jacksonville, Florida, flying U-boat patrols. They nailed a couple of them, too. He and his dive bomber squadron got as far as California to deploy on an aircraft carrier for the Pacific but their orders were changed. That carrier was later almost destroyed by suicide planes. And then there are the brave kids fighting today in Afghanistan. Is this a great country or what? Finally, because this is my friend Smersh's thread, I honor the brave British soldiers fighting and dying in Afghanistan as well.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday / Armistice Day / Veteran's Day

Postby Kerberos » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:02 pm

The Tyne Cot Cemetery near Passchendaele. Originally a medical station during the battle of Passchendale, it was made into a cemetery for Commonwealth soldiers.

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Postby Kerberos » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:08 pm

The dark and melancholy Langemark, the German cemetery near Passchendaele. The small plot in the foreground is a mass grave with 25,000 soldiers buried in it, including many less than 17 years old.

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